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Old 11th August 2012, 06:34

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How do you search for words with 3 or fewer letters? Names like "Bre" or bands like "U2."

I do a google search and add the search qualifier "inurl: planetsuzy.org," but I wonder if there's a better way to do this.
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How do you search for words with 3 or fewer letters? Names like "Bre" or bands like "U2."

I do a google search and add the search qualifier "inurllanetsuzy.org," but I wonder if there's a better way to do this.
google search is the best way...
As for U2, try the 4 letters version: U3-1
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With Google, you are not constrained by the letter count, and you also get full results, not the 200 hit limit given by PS' internal search.
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The problem your encountering is due to the database. MySQL does not allow for searches under 4 words by default. It can be changed at server level but then a lot of searches will return junk.

Basic Search Syntax on Vbulletin.
•Search multiple words use Boolean operators such as:
- AND (ex. ajax AND instant)
- OR (ex. ajax OR instant)
- NOT (ex. ajax NOT instant) or use the minus sign (-) (ex. ajax -instant)
•Search for an exact phrase using quotes:
- (ex. "instant email")
•Search for wild cards using asterisks (*)
- (ex. *mail)

So you could run a search something like "*u2*" for u2. Bre is harder because a lot of words contain those letters so using wildcards is out. However, "bre" would work I believe.
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The problem your encountering is due to the database. MySQL does not allow for searches under 4 words by default. It can be changed at server level but then a lot of searches will return junk.

Basic Search Syntax on Vbulletin.
•Search multiple words use Boolean operators such as:
- AND (ex. ajax AND instant)
- OR (ex. ajax OR instant)
- NOT (ex. ajax NOT instant) or use the minus sign (-) (ex. ajax -instant)
•Search for an exact phrase using quotes:
- (ex. "instant email")
•Search for wild cards using asterisks (*)
- (ex. *mail)

So you could run a search something like "*u2*" for u2. Bre is harder because a lot of words contain those letters so using wildcards is out. However, "bre" would work I believe.
most of this is wrong!
  • PS search doesn't know the operators AND, OR
  • The operator '+' has to be used instead of AND; spaces are not allowed between the strings and the operator; in your example:
    Code:
    ajax+instant
  • OR is not required as every search string with 2 (or more) words will be considered as an OR-search; your example:
    Code:
    ajax instant
  • "" will be ignored.
  • the asterisk in front of the search string has sometimes funny results and is probably consuming a lot of power.
    Code:
    *mail
  • the asterisk behind the search string works well for words with 4 or more letters
    Code:
    mail*
    bre* finds most but not all words that start with 'bre' and finally: u2* finds nothing.


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Edit: the following post is just a repeat of the recommendation from Nono in post #2. It ignores the fact Google has also its limitations. For example it finds nothing in the sections vintage, gay, hentai and GM.
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Judging from what the tri has to say, I reiterate that trying to find content via PS' paltry search engine is a waste of time.

People: search PS via Google if you really want to locate that long sought after scene...
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most of this is wrong!.
I checked the commands I added and they worked fine. I am not sure why they are not working for you. They are the standard vBulletin search terms as found on the Vbulletin website.

Its possible that the admins have this forum set up on a MySQL fulltext search rather than the default vBulletin search. Would make sense with so many concurrent users. However, that would only effect prefixed wildcards and not the standard AND, NOT and OR.

I didn't add the +. != and other search abbreviated commands incase there was an ereg_replace command running to counter SQL injection attempts. I should really have added the + command as an abbreviated version of AND as most php programmers would not ereg that one out. I doubt that && or != works though. I'll have to try
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I checked the commands I added and they worked fine.
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Actually Trilight is correct. PlanetSuzy is not set to recognize Boolean searches. In general you will probably get a lot of results that work, but it is best to use the methods that Trilight suggests.
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Actually Trilight is correct. PlanetSuzy is not set to recognize Boolean searches. In general you will probably get a lot of results that work, but it is best to use the methods that Trilight suggests.
Ahh, gotcha, you haven't enabled the boolean search function in the usergroups. How interesting that it still recognises for example NOT and replaces it with a - in the $GET string. I wonder why it does that.

I haven't had much experience with vBulletin apart from using it on some websites. Most of my forum programming experience was with phpbb which I have created several addons for (just for fun).

I was sifting over the SQL for vBulletin last night trying to get a grasp how they implement it. Very regimented but efficient code although I noticed the second and third search terms seem to be largely ignored in terms of the overall search priority.

I could not get hold of search.php or searchtools.php so could not see what was being passed to the header. I did spot that it was a $GET string though and not posted although vBulletin masks this with the searchid.

I am one of those programmers that loves to see other methods of doing things so generally investigate. Its kinda a hobby as well as my career.
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