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Old 3rd November 2017, 11:13

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All my external drives are USB 3.0 compatible.
But the eldest external which I always connect to the front side of my PC, doesn't influence the speed of my keyboard and mouse USB 2.0 which are connected to the back of my PC.

I found out that using the eSATA is faster. To say: faster to transfer files onto the external drive.
But yet it influences the speed of my keyboard and mouse.


! -> Could it be that my PC, which is already quite old but functions very well in current days, is the cause because it has a processor that isn't suited for any other newly and more modern devices?


! -> Do I have at least 2 portals on my PC, by preference 3 portals, that are USB 3.0 compatible?
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To address several points made above...

Even tough your external drives are USB 3, they will only connect at USB 2 if that is the specification of your computer. The speed of USB data transfer is limited by the speed (specification) of the USB bus - in this case USB 2.
A USB 3 drive on a USB 2 bus will only transfer data at USB 2 speeds.


If data transfer via eSATA is influencing the speed of your USB keyboard and mouse when in use this points to a RAM issue - you probably don't have enough of it.
The computer can only handle so much data throughput irrespective of where data transfer is taking place or what programmes are running and this is greatly influenced by the amount of RAM available. There has to be a compromise and if you are actively running eSATA and USB devices something has to take a back seat - in your case the keyboard and mouse response slows down.



Regarding you point about running an older processor... Yes, of course the age and specification of you processor affects the efficiency of your computer..
It doesn't mean that your processor is "unsuitable" - it just means that you can't expect an older specification processor to carry out the tasks that a newer one would at the same speed. It will still work but not as quickly.



USB ports are (usually) colour-coded..

Look inside the port and check the colour of the plastic "insert". USB 2 are usually white. USB 3 are usually blue. Same applies to cables.

They are cross -compatible but will only run at the speed of the lowest component..
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Thanks Overlander

Since only data is transferred, didn't know that even RAM is involved. Could be the case, but still: why isn't the eldest influencing the speed of my keyboard.

I think I will try to connect a newer model to the front, and see what happens.

I don't want to open my PC, but the external symbols next to the portals is that of an USB 2.0

Hence the questions (see picture previous page):
- are the 1394 portals compatible with USB 3.0
- the Optical - Audio Out portal?
If so, than I just need to buy another cable.


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As I stated, the eSATA is considerably faster when transferring data onto the external - or that is the impression I have.
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1394 is firewire, which is hardly used for anything, and is NOT compatible with USB2/3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394

Optical output is audio only, not data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK

eSATA and USB3 are about the same speed. Both (eSATA and USB3) are noticeably faster than USB2.

My first choice would always be eSATA followed by USB3. The last resort would be a USB2 port.
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Use EaseUS Partition Manager (free) and delete all of the partitions on the drive (Backup any data first). Then create a new partition of the max size. EaseUS will show you the max size available.
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Thanks Overlander

Since only data is transferred, didn't know that even RAM is involved. Could be the case, but still: why isn't the eldest influencing the speed of my keyboard.

I think I will try to connect a newer model to the front, and see what happens.

I don't want to open my PC, but the external symbols next to the portals is that of an USB 2.0

Hence the questions (see picture previous page):
- are the 1394 portals compatible with USB 3.0
- the Optical - Audio Out portal?
If so, than I just need to buy another cable.


Indeed PatrynXX
As I stated, the eSATA is considerably faster when transferring data onto the external - or that is the impression I have.
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Not sure exactly what you mean when you say "why isn't the eldest influencing the speed of my keyboard"....

If you have number of devices (keyboard, mouse, external drive etc.) connected to a USB bus then the bus controller (part of your motherboard system) has to "share" the data transmitted by each and every one of these devices because the bus will only convey a finite amount of data at any one time. Once this maximum amount of data is being conveyed, the system has to regulate some devices to enable others to function. That is one of the functions of a USB controller on the motherboard. That is one of the reasons that data transfer over USB will slow down (for example) mouse movements .
Keyboards are less affected because they do not give a continuous stream of data, simply a "pulse" when a key is pressed. A mouse is sending a continuous stream whenever is is being moved.
USB 3 is faster than USB 2 because the structure of the bus is different..

Look inside the USB ports on your computer - the bit where you plug in the cable - you may have to shine a lamp in there but you should see a white or blue piece of plastic that is part of the socket. The general rule is that blue plastic indicates USB 3 - white, USB 2. You may find a mix of ports on the same motherboard. The same rule applies to cables...

eSATA will indeed give faster transfer speeds than USB. I agree entirely with Odba11 post regarding speeds.

Almost everything you do on your computer is influenced by RAM. Ram acts as a "data buffer" when transferring data between devices as generally data can be read from one devices far faster that it can be written to the receiving device. A device connected via eSATA will be sending data through RAM to the receiving device. This continuous data stream is leaving little in reserve for other functions that require RAM.

RAM also plays a part in the operation of your mouse and keyboard and every software application that you have open. Hence the reason that progs slow down when you have large number of them open. The amount of RAM you have greatly influences the speed of any computer and is the best value option to upgrade speed.

How much RAM do you have in the machine?

I'm afraid I can't comment on individual programmes as I am not a Windows user. I work on Linux systems and haven't used Windows in years so I am not current on software written for Windows. I would suggest though that the problem you have is not Windows specific. It is hardware issue.

I have just re-read your original post regarding the formatting issue and would suggest that the problem may simply be one of partitioning... Do you have a number of partitions on the drive? if so, delete each one then reformat to NTFS and the drive should indicate full capacity. You will lose any data of course...

One more thing to check is that the drive itself does not have any jumpers set (on the back end of the drive itself, near the data connections) that are limiting its capacity....
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1394 is firewire, which is hardly used for anything, and is NOT compatible with USB2/3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394

Optical output is audio only, not data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK

eSATA and USB3 are about the same speed. Both (eSATA and USB3) are noticeably faster than USB2.

My first choice would always be eSATA followed by USB3. The last resort would be a USB2 port.
only real problem with esata is you can only hook up one device. on a laptop. desktop you need a port multplier. found this out getting an esata only JBOD
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@ Overlander

On my PC, I have portals on the front and back.
I have several external drives. The eldest is always connected to the front of the PC, and doesn't influence the speeds of my keyboard and mouse which are connected to the back of my PC.
The newer externals are connected to the back, and do influence the speed of my keyboard and mouse.
This means that the portals in the front and back must be connected to different SDI cards - or at least it could be.
I could test this by connecting the eldest external to the back of my PC, and see what happens.
I would say that this is pretty much the same as what you wrote in your post.


I always thought RAM is only to store the programs that are in use, along with ROM.
I didn't know that RAM is needed to transfer data, just because the data to be transfered is not needed to run the PC.
I have 6GB RAM.

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One more thing to check is that the drive itself does not have any jumpers set (on the back end of the drive itself, near the data connections) that are limiting its capacity....
Don't understand this.
What are jumpers?
My external is only connected with 1 cable to the PC.


Also don't quite understand about the partitions.
Only my LaCie external has given me the option to split the drive into 2 parts. If you are referring to below, than I have set the grey part NTFS to about 95%. This only and also because I couldn't and wouldn't use every last bit of space on the external.






Went to several stores today, and it seems that the cable I'm looking for to connect eSATA with USB 3.0 B3 or a convertor with eSATA and female USB, is pretty exotic.
So they gave me the idea to look at and in my PC in order to install a SDI card with USB 3.0 portals.
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This means that the portals in the front and back must be connected to different SDI cards - or at least it could be.

I always thought RAM is only to store the programs that are in use, along with ROM.
I didn't know that RAM is needed to transfer data, just because the data to be transfered is not needed to run the PC.
I have 6GB RAM.


Don't understand this.
What are jumpers?
My external is only connected with 1 cable to the PC.


Also don't quite understand about the partitions.
Only my LaCie external has given me the option to split the drive into 2 parts. If you are referring to below, than I have set the grey part NTFS to about 95%. This only and also because I couldn't and wouldn't use every last bit of space on the external.

Went to several stores today, and it seems that the cable I'm looking for to connect eSATA with USB 3.0 B3 or a convertor with eSATA and female USB, is pretty exotic.
So they gave me the idea to look at and in my PC in order to install a SDI card with USB 3.0 portals.
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IF the USB ports are not on add-in cards then I would suspect that they will be directly connected, via cables or as part of the MB structure, to the USB bus which is integral with the MB.

It could be that the MB connectors for one set of USB ports is USB 3, the other USB 2. If you look at the MB, it should indicate this.

Did you check the colour coding as I suggested?


Almost everything you do on a computer is affected in some way by RAM. When you want to transfer data from drive A to drive B, the computer has to essentially do two things...
1. Run the programme to enable the data transfer - which may be part of your OS or a separate programme.
2. Actually move the data through the system from A to B.
The computer uses RAM to facilitate the loading and running of the programme and acts as a data buffer during transfer.

Just for info.... Jumpers are settings that are accessed by moving a small jumper between pins on the back end of hard drives - mainly older ones though. The settings are used to define the parameters of the drives if they are fitted. From what you have subsequently told me I think you can ignore this part of the thread as irrelevant in your case.

You say you don't understand partitions....
Partitions are way of dividing the HD up into "sections". Each partition becomes essentially a separate drive with its own characteristics re formatting etc.. When a drive is partitioned, formatting one partition will not affect the others. In order to remove partitions and revert to a single partition on a drive it is sometimes necessary to use a drive management programme. I have no doubt Windoze has this as part of itself but as I said I'm not a Windoze user.

Have a look at the disc in drive management and see if you can remove the partitions then reformat.

Why are you using only 95% of the drive? It is not a system drive so doesn't require boot sector space or space for swap file. Format it to 100%.

LaCie is a part of the Seagate group. The HD itself is no doubt made by Seagate. Have you tried going to the Seagate website and looking to see if there is a diagnostic programme you can download to check the drive?
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